|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 40 post(s) |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
103
   |
Posted - 2014.06.15 22:23:00 -
[1] - Quote
CCP Greyscale wrote:
0.5 or higher as of Crius. We changed a >= to a > so the code does what the authoring was always assuming it did. I just fixed the display text for the attributes this afternoon to reflect this, but the code should already be in place.
This is yet another clear example of PL favouritism from CCP. You know full well we can't dip our toes into lowsec without losing a super fleet, and you slap a load more R64's there anyway.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 11:51:00 -
[2] - Quote
CCP Greyscale wrote:...and the risk is compartmentalized separately to the risks involved in manufacturing changes.
What on earth are you talking about? An increase in goo supply is going to add a hell of a lot to consider with regards to ME changes. The less expensive T2 is, the less relevant each % of ME is with regards to a manufacturers' bottom line.
You don't 'compartmentalized' them differently (quite the term for someone who speaks the Queen's english  ) as it serves to flatten the impact of ME advantage choices. Do I buy a team? Do I use a high ME or high run decryptor?
The same is true for TE. The increase in build times in great for introducing more value in TE advantage and the associated choices which were previously undervalued next to ME.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 12:25:00 -
[3] - Quote
Because 1% of 100m is only 0.1% of 1000m. The cheaper a percentage is, the less value you get out of things like outposts, bidding on teams, decyptors and the less relevant station build costs will be. On top of that, the longer it takes to build something, the greater the value of each % of TE.
Due to fuel, hauling stuff about is always going to be a flat rate per volume, regardless of the value of the item.
The greater the value of decryptors next to the output product the less choices you have to use. There is no way you would use a decyptor to make ammo right now, for example. If your ammo bpc produced 100m worth of ammo, you might think about it.
I dunno how I can be more coherent about this really. A % is a %, yes. But you have to buy that %, the less it is worth the less the options that are viable to get it.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 12:58:00 -
[4] - Quote
I just want to be clear that 0.4 moon mining isn't something I am opposed to, there's nothing wrong with it in principle. It is just a case of not acknowledging that an increase of goo supply serves to harm the efficacy and, indeed, the viability of particular choices the manufacturer has open to them.
Seeing as that much of the point of crius seems to be to broaden optimization possibilities, de-compartmentalizeratering this rings a couple of alarm bells.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2014.06.16 13:00:00 -
[5] - Quote
mynnna wrote:
Re: Extra moons and supply/demand, my napkin estimate says new supply from the new 0.4 moons is to a fart in a hurricane. I'm not exactly concerned.
So you agree there is a slight smell in the air?
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
109
|
Posted - 2014.06.18 12:17:00 -
[6] - Quote
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Your skillbook suggestion does not address the issue that this bonus is trying to resolve, namely that without it the optimal setup is one of each type of structures and a load of defenses, which is uninteresting.
On that note, how about some way to siege in highsec, allowing dunking large towers without hundreds of man hours? A new flavor of bastion module that couldn't track a stationary bus, for example.  Dunno about you but I'd call that interesting!
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2014.07.09 16:41:00 -
[7] - Quote
CCP devs, don't forget those of us who are extremely excited for the upcoming changes, everything looks great. Cart before the horse is totally logical, and we really appreciate the effort and vision.
We are just too busy, ya know, enjoying eve to hurl an equivalent level of praise as the apocalyptic naysayers.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2014.07.09 19:21:00 -
[8] - Quote
Here's a suggestion greyscale.
The Caldari oligarchy ban the use of starbase catalytic converters on the grounds they have been causing brain tumours in the population of nearby planets.
While the claims are unsubstantiated, the other empires have caught wind of this and responded to the terrified outcries of their populace and followed suit. There are rumours of key members of the Caldari Oligarchy having purchased substantial shares in a number of key planetary extraction technology suppliers, which have been unanimously denied by all the involved parties.
The net result is a 30% reduction in fuel block efficiency in all empire held space. That should address the glut, somewhat.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2014.07.09 19:36:00 -
[9] - Quote
Unlike the empires, our planets are desolate and unsettled. Don't forget, the Caldari Oligarchy directorate hold no sway out here.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2014.07.09 19:47:00 -
[10] - Quote
Kenneth Skybound wrote:
The whole point of the original consideration of stacking bonuses was to handle the fact that otherwise, and without slots, only one of each industry posdule type is needed for a given area of use.
The alternative is to consider that you don't necessarily need slots to impose a concurrent job limit based on the number of online modules. The stacking bonus seemed, to me at least, a little OP considering the number of new moons available in the Jita vicinity.
Greyscale, the UI thing. Similar to the cries about invention, if POS are really next on the agenda following Industry, perhaps a sketchy little mechanic like that is acceptable? Provided you are committed to keeping it temporary.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
|
|
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2014.07.09 20:41:00 -
[11] - Quote
Kale Freeman wrote:
Obviously napkin maths is napkin maths and might be horribly wrong.
It is. The stacking bonus for building 1-2J out of jita (pretty much the only place in the game where it matters) was going to be significant. People will have to spread farther afield now to achieve comparable reductions. This is probably a good thing anyway.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2014.07.10 20:49:00 -
[12] - Quote
CCP Greyscale wrote:
If the value proposition for industrial starbases is broken, then that is a thing that we can address much more directly and effectively through other channels, and it's absolutely something we're open to discussing.
Most stuff I will continue doing around jita will be in a POS. Even in null it is certainly preferable to use POS over upgrading outposts all over the place if usage costs threaten to get too high.
Let's not forget they are a steaming pile of shite to work with at the moment in general so one could argue mechanics that discourage their use are more than welcome.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2014.07.11 07:54:00 -
[13] - Quote
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
By that logic, CCP should introduce a mechanic where every hour one of the POS modules, chosen at random, in an online POS self-destructs and destroys itself and everything inside it. That would certainly "discourage" POS use.
Sounds great! Skynet.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2014.07.11 08:39:00 -
[14] - Quote
CCP Greyscale wrote:Rekkr Nordgard wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:If the value proposition for industrial starbases is broken, then that is a thing that we can address much more directly and effectively through other channels, and it's absolutely something we're open to discussing. Oh, I'm sure you are. Open to discussing it and discussing it and discussing it and discussing it and discussing it ad nauseum, but actually fixing POSes is always in the next expansion. There's a substantial difference between "fixing POS" and "targeted buffs to POS industry viability". The former is measured in team-months, the latter is measured in developer-hours :)
You could increase the NPC station tax to 15%. That would be a relative buff to POS viability... personally I'd perfer if they weren't viable until you have a few 'team months' for reasons stated above.  Slap up empire fuel costs, you know you want to.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2014.07.11 12:42:00 -
[15] - Quote
Allison A'vani wrote: With this change you basically made large and medium POSes useless outside of their Super Building, moon mining, and Safes role.
If you seriously want POS's worked on, this is a great thing. The less useful they are, the less people rely on their functionality, the less micropatches they need and therefore the less impediments of doing a major overhaul. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't be up for this.
Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
|
|
| |
|